ÇaFleureBon Perfumers Workshop: East Meets West (J.K. DeLapp, Maria McElroy, Maggie Mahboubian, Mik Moi, Paul Kiler) + Occidental And Oriental Draw Draw

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Denise and Paul Poiret dressed for the “Thousand and Second Night” party, 24 June 1911 and Parfums de Rosine Aladin circa 1919

Just before the First World War,  Europe discovered the exotic fashions of the Eastern world. Sergio Diaghilev’s Ballet Russes came to Paris in 1909 with elaborate costumes inspired by the East. Ground-breaking and influential designer Paul Poiret was designing Eastern-influenced women’s fashions like the kimono coat and harem trousers. He was also the first fashion designer to launch his own perfume line called Parfums de Rosine, the first designer fragance line. The advent of the war pushed the pause button for a while and women’s fashions became simpler. With the end of the War the Roaring Twenties, an age of exploration and experimentation, began—and revitalized the fascination with the Far East.

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Mitsouko Guerlain Ad, photo by Guy Bourdin in Vogue May 1965 

Mitsouko by Guerlain, released in 1919,   a chypre with a fruity peach note was at the forefront of  Western perfumery's  fascination with cultures of the Far East, and told the story of Mitsouko and her secret love for a British officer. . Shalimar followed in 1925 with its amber/vanilla opulence, and Djedi in 1926, also a chypre and created by Jaques Guerlain, who along with the Western World was fascinated by all things Egyptian after the discovery of King Tutkhamen's tomb in 1923 .

Our modern artisan perfumers have taken personal inspiration from the East and define it in their own signature style. We asked them three simple open-ended questions and got some very thoughtful answers.

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Taj Mahal morning by Paul Kiler

Why did you turn towards the East in making perfumes?

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Maria McElroy of aroma M at the Kyoto Geisha Shrine Yasaka Jinja 

Maria McElroy of aroma M Perfumes: My inspiration is Japan and the Geisha. I am very influenced by Japanese culture and the wonderful years I lived there. The tradition of Geisha is all about beauty, elegance, glamour, and mystery…. this is the allure for me. This is what perfume is all about. I want to wear a perfume, and feel beautiful, powerful, and sensual. I want to try on a scent, as if slipping on a silk kimono. One may be white, and pure and delicately embroidered with gold, while another is black, and adorned with bold designs, brocaded and resplendent with a sort of mystery. We all have a bit of the Geisha inside of us. Aroma M allows me to explore that mystic.

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JK DeLapp,  sinking borneo buttons,  cambodian agarwood and Bushido warrior (bottom right)

JK DeLapp of Rising Phoenix Perfumery: I draw a lot of inspiration from my background in Chinese Medicine – which parallels my love and fascination as a child of both the Incense, Tea, and Spice Trade, as well as Archaeology. I love creating "historical" fragrances – borrowing from a particular place or time. Right now, I'm absolutely in LOVE with a fragrance I developed that will be released soon through another vendor that is called Bushido – a fragrance inspired by Samurai incense culture, and is focused around a vintage 1906 distillation of Allspice I acquired (substituted in place of "Choji" – AKA, Clove – which is "the Scent of the Samurai"). 

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Maggie Mahboubian, Qajar era painting of dervish girls playing oud. French style painting, Persian Textile, Shahnameh (Book of Kings) 

Maggie Mahboubian of Parfums Lalun: Early memories and the artifacts from our life in Iran that now surround me serve as inspiration. Also language. Certain words have such a deep connection that I don’t even notice I’m using them

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Mik Moi (Michael Coyles in his studio)

Michael “Mik” Coyle of MikMoi San Francisco: From an early age I've had an eastern influence. My mother cooked stir fry and I honestly never remember learning how to eat with chopsticks, she taught me early on. I do remember seeing kids using the 'cheater' type in restaurants, you know the ones that are connected at the top like tongs? I wanted to use those so badly because they looked so different but mom never gave in. As an adult I have studied Japanese and Chinese and spent close to a year in Asia, principally in Thailand and Hong Kong after graduate school. Since then I met and married Jasper, who is Taiwanese. On our last trip to Taiwan and Japan in 2015 we visited the Izu Peninsula, a Japanese region famous for onsen or volcanic hot springs. That trip became the inspiration for my recent collection of onsen oils and salts; Edo, Aya and Izu.

What ingredients do you like to use? Are they different or is formulation the key?

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Paul Kiler and his wife Julie lighting Candles in Bali

Paul Kiler of PK Perfumes: Middle East and India: I think of heat, and a thickness of humidity, spices and fruits, smoke and incense, animals and decay, blended with traffic and environmental pollutants. I think that the challenge to portray the East, to the West, is to highlight the beauty and complexity of the place, but with a judicious bit of romantic editing for a perfumic presentation to the West. If we switch, and make a perfume *for* the East, well, it has to stand up and cut through the density surrounding it. I have a Morroccan themed scent coming out later this year, but my current Zaffran, Red leather and Gold Leather fit well here. Then there’s the wild, Dirty Rose Oud Extreme, too.

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Paul at a Japanese garden

Northeast Asia:  (China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan) A scent composed to convey this region would be lighter, fresher, and probably more floral and green.  Refinement is what I think of: graceful-simple-elegant. Some of these countries, really only like scent to be fairly light, and last a short amount of time, but to present this culture to the West, it will need to last much longer, and maybe a tad stronger as well.  My new Heaven fresh Perfume fits this genre well.  Thanks for letting me talk about these, I really loved the opportunity! 

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Roses from Maggie's garden, preparing gum arabic,  Quajar Rose  formulae, Maggie's Jasmine Enfleurage

Maggie: There are key notes that represent Persian culture such as rose, orange blossom and jasmine. Persian poetry mentions amber (ambar), most likely ambergris, and musk (moshk), but these are no longer a part of the cultural psyche anymore. Spices used in food are also important: saffron, cardamom, cumin, cinnamon, turmeric. The individual notes are just as important as combinations. Persian culture is kept alive through the cuisine that features specific flavors and traditional combinations.

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Maria McElroy in Japan

Maria: I find the exploration and discovery of the ingredients so magical. I have found many of my oils while traveling. The scent impressions of a place are very important to me, the ambient fragrances. For me both ingredients and formulation are equally important, formulation is the artistry I think.

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JK 's Vietnamese RedSoil Agarwood

JK: Formulation is always key – but I have a tendency to formulate with copious amounts of Oud (as we custom distill our own Oud oils) – and in place of alcohol or carrier oil, I use Mysore Sandalwood as my medium – composing in a traditional Attar-style, which in itself, is a historical manner of composing fragrances.

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Cataloging aromatics LaLun perfumes

What is your biggest challenge (or reward) in formulating for an Eastern esthetic?

Maggie: The biggest challenge is to maintain a sense of modernity and cultural relevance so that my work does not become cliched or nostalgic. Certain smells have strong associations, but it’s important for them to create new memories and interpretations. I like to experience the freedom that anything is possible when I pick up a rose extraction even if it leads me by the nose down memory lane. 

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Haiku Candle MikMoi

Mik: I would say my greatest challenge is also the most rewarding and that is creating something that imbues subtly. My fragrances have been described as 'sheer' and like 'watercolors' and I am proud of that. Often American values place considerable emphasis on more is better. That value is not the same in the east. Heat and humidity don't go well with heavy fragrances nor with my esthetic. It is rewarding to create something subtle that can still last all day.

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JK DeLapp of Rising Phoenix Perfume Organ

JK: Both the Near and Far East have a fascinating history, and a taste for depth and rich ingredients often lacking in more Western-style fragrances. I have been having a love affair with incense since I was young, and love both the history of the trade, and the sheer global reach of the incense and spice trade. I mean…as Americans – we literally exist as a result of their pursuit!

-Elise Pearlstine, Sr Contributor and Perfumer for Tambela Perfumes with Guerlain fact checking by Aaron Potterman; Art Direction and theme from Michelyn Camen

For our Draw there will be six winners:

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PK Perfumes 15 ml Reader’s Choice of Dirty Rose Zaffron, Red Leather, Gold Leather,   Worldwide

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MikMoi sample pack of Edo, Aya and Izu oils Worldwide

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Lalun Perfumes 10 ml roller bottle of Qajar Rose in oil base, US Only

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Aroma M sample set of Geisha Vanilla Hinoki US Only

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Rising Phoenix Sample of soon-to-be-released Bushido perfume  or a sample of  Musk Rose Attar (Art and Olfaction Top 10 Finalist 2016 ) US Only

To be eligible you must be a registered reader.  Please leave a comment with what you found interesting about our artisans' influence by Eastern Culture, their use of ingredients,  something memorable from this workshop, what Eastern style perfume(s) you would like to win from those above and where you live.Draw closes 5/25/2016

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31 comments

  • Rachel Lindstrom says:

    Wonderful discussion – thank you. It was lovely to be reminded that early in the 20th century came another wave of Eastern influence on European culture. One of my favorite periods of European history is the late 1700s when all things Turkish were the rage. Qajar Rose sounds heavenly – I’m in Vermont.

  • I enjoy the discipline of Eastern cultures. And the centuries long traditions such as Geisha in Japan. All the above perfumers seem to have been touched by something Eastern at an early age. I would love to try that Vanilla Hinoki. 🙂 USA

  • I think it’s interesting that the artists were influenced by the locations themselves, as well as elements that are common to the cultures – such as spices. I haven’t a lot of experience with Eastern style perfumes, but it’s an area I’d like to get more familiar with. I’d love to try so many of these – Gold Leather, the MikMoi sampler, Qajar Rose, Vanilla Hinoki and Musk Rose Attar. Thanks for the draw, I’m in the US!

  • fazalcheema says:

    This article made me realize how often we forget east has both served as an inspiration for some of the greatest perfumes including mitsouko and shalimar (opium also comes to mind) as well as a provider of valuable raw materials including persian rose. It is amazing how many of this Indie perfumers have been to Japan or have lived there for a while.

    My choices for this draw will be:
    PK Perfumes Red Leather
    MikMoi sample pack

    I am in the US

  • I enjoyed the discussion of Eastern inspiration for these perfumers. I live half my time in Asia and its true there are many perfumes in my collection that just don’t work in the heat and humidity. In my travels the scents around me are a great part of how I perceive and enjoy a place so I was interested in the perfumers talk about inspiration from their surrounds: in particular Maria McElroy whose line carries her Japanese aesthetic so beautifully. I would be delighted to win any of these prizes but my top choice would be PK Perfumes Red Leather as I’ve wanted to try it for some time. Thank you for the draw. USA.

  • I had no idea that Parfums de Rosine (Paul Poiret) was the first designer fragrance line or at least it’s not the first that comes to mind on a Jeopardy question! That’s good to know. This article was impressive because the East has so much influence on these perfumers and many of them have lived in the places that have influenced them which is even more of a plus. My choices for the draw are:

    PK Perfumes Red Leather
    MikMoi sample pack

    I live in the US and thanks for the generous draw! 🙂

  • Iuno Feronia says:

    For me the imotivation of Maria McElroy of aroma M Perfumes fits best to me and my perfume favourites. I love Japan, the Japanese art, Japanese culture and ist Beauty and clarity.

    My choices for the draw are:

    PK Perfumes of Zaffron or Red Leather
    MikMoi sample pack

    I live in the EU, thanks for the draw!

  • Very nice and amusing review. I have very enjoyed to read this. I very like the combinations of east and west combination of perfume ingredients. Sounds really fabulous. I would like to win:
    – PK Perfumes Dirty Rose
    – MikMoi sample pack
    Thank you for the draw. I live in Europe.

  • This was so interesting! As a woman of Indian heritage who grew up in the US, the most enjoyable thing about this review was comparing my experiences and influences with theirs. I’m in the US, and would most love either the Lalun Qajar Rose or any of the three PK perfumes! All so amazing. Thanks for the draw!

  • I like how they associate time and place while creating fragrances. I like how the pefumers use the east to create Western style fragrances. What I enjoyed most about the workshop was learning about eastern cultures.
    I would like to win
    PK Perfumes Red Leather
    PK Perfumes Gold Leather
    Aroma M sample set of Geisha Vanilla Hinoki
    I live in America

  • Eastern culture is truly beautiful. I have always wanted to go on a long vacation to multiple places there. I like how perfumers can seamlessly mix Eastern and Western cultures together in their fragrances. Truly a beautiful thing. I’d love to win any of:

    PK Perfumes Red Leather
    Mikmoi Sampler

    I’m in Canada and thanks for the draw!

  • bernardom says:

    Eastern vibes are something Im looking for this summer, in food and fragrances so I lovedPK Perfumes.

    PK Perfumes Dirty Rose Zaffron.

    Europe. Thank you.

  • misty_father says:

    So im a leather guy, and my skin is asking for eastern scents as summer starts getting closer and closer. I liked Paul’s appreciation of eastern notes and balance between our western culture and eastern

    PK Perfumes, Gold Leather.
    EU here.

  • ntabassum92 says:

    I like the mention of heat and humidity, the thickness of the atmosphere in some parts of the East, and how everything is mixed together. That’s exactly how I think of it. I also like the mention of spices used in food being an important part of the culture. It’s so interesting that we like to taste and smell in our food also becomes something we find beautiful to smell, even without the taste. I also liked the intro to this workshop, I didn’t know that Mitsouko was based on a woman’s name from a novel! How interesting. I would like to try, in this order:

    1. Pk Perfumes Gold Leather
    2. Lalun Perfumes Qajar Rose
    3. MikMoi Samples
    4. Aroma M Samples
    5. Rising Phoenix Musk Rose Attar

    – VA, U.S.A.

  • I’ve found interesting the association of Geishas and Samurai with the perfume and that in most of Asia they use spice as ingredients.
    I’d like to win PK Perfumes Gold Leather, Red Leather or Lalun Perfumes 10 ml roller bottle of Qajar Rose in oil base. I’m in the US.

  • Miss Almond says:

    I am drawn to the inspiration Maria McElroy talkes about, the image of geisha and delicate japanese type of beauty. I love pure, “white” scents like old bambou version of Shiseido Zen.
    I would like Dirty Rose Zaffron. I live in the EU. Thanks!

  • Hikmat Sher Afridi says:

    Its the east(from Japan to Pakistan) which brings perfumes in life & its the Oud that are mostly culltivated in the east. So east has infleunce in perfumes from the start of creating to the end of perfume. Interestingly the oud is not much used in artsan perfumes.
    My choice to try:
    PK Red Leather
    Mik Moi samples
    I live in Peshawar, Pakistan.

  • greennote says:

    I liked how Maggie said even words can have deep connections. I think our society is so caught up in visuals and music that often the feelings and strong associations of language and scent are forgotten.

    I’m interested in the Mikmoi sample pack, I’m in Australia.

  • Lovely review! I love the East as well and it was great to see how it has influenced all of them not just culturally but also in resourcing materials from there. If I won i’d like PK Gold leather or the Mik Moi samples. I am in the UK
    Thank you!

  • teresa310 says:

    Thank you for posting this great discussion. Perfume art is one of the most inspiring points where East and West can meet and enjoy how rich and interesting cultural diversity can be. Based on my own experience I agree with Paul Kiler on the complexity of picturing the spirit of the East in perfume, without making them too overwhelming for Western customers’ taste. I would love to test PK Perfumes Red Leather.
    (EU)

  • echinacea says:

    I envy Maggie Mahboubian her Persian experiences and memories. Rose, jasmine and orange blossom are among my favorite flowers. I’d be happy to try Dirty Rose Zaffron or MikMoi samples. Thank you for this interesting post, it was a pleasure reading this.
    I am from the EU.

  • Like Maria McElroy I feel inspired by Japan. The cultural aesthetic, a feeling of gentle grace over steely determination much like the kimono a geisha wears, is fascinating. I admire Mik’s focus on using ingredients to create subtlety in sheer, watercolor scents which last all day. I will long remember the photo of the aromatics at LaLun. What a treat it would be to sniff just a few of them.

    I would love to try the MikMoi sample pack of Edo, Aya and Izu oils or the Aroma M sample set of Geisha Vanilla Hinoki. I am in the US.

    Thank you for this thought-provoking workshop and for the generous draw. Now I must decide if I will watch Memoirs of a Geisha, Lost in Translation, or Jiro Dreams of Sushi this evening.

  • Iphigenia says:

    I loved and truly enjoyed the whole review of how Eastern culture became the inspiration for these perfumers.
    When I travel either within my country or abroad the smells around me become a great influence of how I perceive the particular place so I was thrilled when I read the part in the perfumers talk about inspiration from their surroundings and to be more specific, Maria McElroy’s line which carries her Japanese aesthetic so masterfully!
    I love Japan and Japanese Art the whole culture and civilization. In case I win I would love to experience:
    PK Perfumes Dirty Rose
    MikMoi sample pack
    I am a registered reader living in EU.
    Thank you for the lovely review and draw as well!

  • This was a pleasure to read, because orientals are my favorite perfume family. The rich scent history, the depth of the notes, and they mystery they create all combine to make the perfect family of scents for me. I love that JK DeLapp creates historical fragrances. I’m fascinated with this as well. So interesting how tastes change over time. It’s nice to read about perfumers that are looking for inspiration in other cultures and eras, rather than going for the latest trend.

    I live in Canada and would love to win either of these:

    PK Perfumes Zaffron

    MikMoi sample pack of Edo, Aya and Izu oils

  • Many perfumes are based on inspiration from countries where the climate as well as the food, flowers, spices, trees and people are different. Love the eastern inspired perfumes. My choice would be PK Perfumes Dirty Rose. Thanks for the draw. I live in Europe

  • This interview is a great journey through different places, images and scents. I think modern perfume art needs a lot of independent thinking and inspiration from different cultural backgrounds. there is so much more to discover about perfumes than Sephoras and duty-free shops can offer!
    I live in the EU and my choice would be Gold Leather by PK Perfumes. Thank you for the draw!

  • I love the concept of subtle, delicate yet intense scents which Mik decsribes as “sheer and watercolor”. I am a big fan of Diptyque and I’d live to know if MikMoi perfumes are similar or different. I would choose MikMoi sample set or PK Red Leather. EU here. Thanks!

  • I found it interesting that the artisans’ influence by Eastern Culture was as a result of them actually living there. I agree that the Near East and Far East have a “taste for depth and rich ingredients” and that’s why I love oriental fragrances. I live in the US and would like to win PK Perfumes Red Leather, the MikMoi sample pack or a sample of Musk Rose Attar.

  • The Far East is an area of the world that is rich in culture and history. I have to visit there sometime in my life. I love how global perfumery has become, where perfumers take aspects from different parts of the world to create their masterpieces.

    I’d love to win any of:

    PK Perfumes Red Leather
    Mikmoi Sample Pack

    I’m a Canadian reader and thanks for the draw.