February 12, 2012
CaFleureBon: Roses in Perfumery + The Name of The Rose Draw
Most people complain that roses have thorns, I am only grateful that thorns have roses. Alphonse Karr
Classic, elegant, evocative, and richly floral – it’s nearly impossible to describe the scent of a rose fresh from the garden and just as difficult to capture that scent. They are representative of love, of passion and of elegance.
Roses are an ancient flower, perhaps as much as 35 million years old and including up to 150 species mostly from the northern hemisphere. They have been cultivated for perhaps 5000 years, beginning in China,(Confucious included roses in his writing in 500 BC) and have been used as expressions of love, for enjoyment, for medicinal purposes, for confetti, and for decoration. The world’s oldest rose that is growing today is said to be a dog rose in Hanover, Germany growing up the side of a cathedral and dating from the 9th century. The largest rose is perhaps a Lady Banksia in Tombstone, Arizona that covers 8,000 square feet, produces hundreds of small white flowers, and came from Scotland in 1885. The Musk Rose (Rosa moschata) is an early, single bloomed species that may have been an ancestor to many of our modern roses. The French or Apothecary rose (Rosa gallica) once bloomed wild through Europe and Asia and can still be found there. The damask rose (Rosa damascena) is one of the earliest roses, descended from Rosa gallica with perhaps some musk rose and Apothecary rose in the background. White roses (Rosa alba) were famous during the War of the Roses and descended from early mixture of the older dog, damask and gallica roses. Rosa centifolia or Rose de Mai is the cabbage rose with many petals.
Pierre-Joseph Redouté-China blush tea rose
The Chinese rose is Rosa chinensis and gave rise to the Tea rose, providing important new characteristic to the European roses – repeat blooming and hardy evergreen foliage. Nearly all modern roses derive from these China roses.
The scent of roses may be the heart of a perfume created to exhibit its rich lushness but rose extracts are also used as a modifier for roundness or smoothness. Main rose species used in essential oil production include damask rose, Apothecary’s or French rose, Rose de mai, white rose, China, and Musk rose. In producing the essential oil or otto, much care is taken to maintain the fullness of the scent. Flowers are picked early in the morning from pre-dawn until about 10:30 am and flowers that are fresh and in full bloom are chosen. The flowers are taken to the distillery every morning and are chilled, then distilled as soon as possible. One kg rose oil is obtained from 3000 to 4000 kg of damask rose petals, which are the highest yielding flowers. Solvent extraction obtains about 10 times as much fragrant material making the absolute or concrete, both products of solvent extraction, less expensive than the distilled otto or rose oil. The word rose attar can mean two different things, either the essential oil of rose or the process of distilling roses into sandalwood. Attar of rose has a gorgeous scent with the floral, honey and buttery richness of roses and sandalwood intimately combined.
In perfumery there are two popular and readily available, though quite expensive, types of roses used. Rosa centifolia or Rose de Mai is usually found as an absolute (alcohol wash of a solvent-extract) with a rich sweet, true and deep rose scent and an odor that is described as tenacious. There are very slight hints of spice and honey. It is generally cultivated in Morocco, France and other European and Asian countries and is available in limited quantities as an essential oil. Rosa damascena is the familiar rose from Bulgaria and Turkey that is also used to produce the ‘otto’ or essential oil of rose. It is the primary rose used for production of essential oil, obtained from distillation. Turkey has been producing ‘Turkish Rose Oil’ for over 120 years. The otto is generally a pale yellow or light green liquid with a tendency to form crystals at lower temperatures. It has a warm, very deep and very rich fragrance, slightly spicy and honeylike. It is a true representation of a red rose. The absolute from this rose is described as warm, rich, spicy –floral and also possessing hints of honey and is usually orange or orange-red in color. When diluted it can be quite diffusive and may exhibit its odor best at low dilutions.
Après de si ternes absences, parfumez le vent de mes nuits.”
("After such longing, perfume the winds of my nights")
The concretes (solvent extract) of damascena and centifolia are similar to the absolutes but may be slightly more true to the rose scent. Musk rose (Rosa moschata) has an earthy, musky rose scent and is difficult to find. The rare Taif roses grow in Saudi Arabia and are likely a variety of damask rose. They are delicately pink and highly perfumed. Both rose oil and rose water are made from these roses and the yield is much lower than other damask roses.
Rose oils and absolutes are often extended or adulterated with other rose-smelling essential oils and extracts including rose geranium, an herb and palmarosa which is a grass. Geranium, especially the bourbon or rose variety, provides a lovely, rosy scent that is also slightly herbal. Palmarosa or palma rosa is commonly used in less expensive applications including soap making or skin products.
I once had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalogue: no good in a bed, but fine up against a wall.-Eleanor Roosevelt
-Elise Pearlstine, Monthly Contributor
-Michelyn Camen, Art Director
Writer's Note: Scent descriptions are modified from Steffen Arctander’s Perfume and Flavor Materials of Natural Origin. 1994 from Allured Publishing Corporation, Illinois, USA.
For our Draw we have gathered these beautiful nine roses
75 ml Keiko Mecheri Attar de Roses – Taif roses,sharif roses, rose anciennes www.keikomecheri.com
two 10ml of Mohur by Bertrand Duchaufor for Neela Vermeire- Morrocan Rose, Turkish rose oil (11% rose accords) http://www.neelavermeire.com/
3.5 ml Anya McCoy Anya’s Garden: Amberess is lush and rich with two types of Musk Rose (rare, from Zambia). It contains the otto and the absolute. www.anyasgarden.com
Liz Cook One Seed: Freedom 5ml. Rose notes include Bulgarian rose otto, Moroccan rose absolute, palmarosa http://www.oneseedcompany.com/
1 oz edp of Goddess by Ambrosia Jones Perfume by Nature: The particular rose Maroc "is a deep, sweet almost confectionary kinda rose note….dark orange and just sumptuous" http://www.perfumebynature.com.au/goddess.htm
15ml Jane Cate A Wing and a Prayer: Filoli Rose, named after the legendary gardens in Northern California.(rose absolue, rose geranium) http://www.etsy.com/shop/wingandprayerperfume
30ml Rose & Vines' Rose en Bos (pink rose and rose geranium) http://www.roseenbos.com/rose-vines
2ml sample vial Luscious Roses Parfum by JoAnne Bassett: There are six different rose oils from four different countries. There are pink – cabbage roses, red – Bulgarian damask, and white – rare Bulgarian Alba roses. Rose otto is a very treasured oil and is one of the most expensive. (36% fragrance strength in an organic base of golden jojoba oil) www.joannebassett.com
To be eligible for this draw name a rose that appeals to you in your comment and something you learned about roses. The draw is random, but feel free to mention the draw prize you would like to win by February 15, 2012
We announce the winners only on site and on our Facebook page, so Like Cafleurebon and use our RSS option…or your dream prize will be just spilt perfume.









































I’ve grown quite a few roses; moss roses, the apothecary rose, Zephirine Drouhin, rugosa roses, an English rose(Mary Rose), etc. My favorites are; for scent: suprisingly, the Peace rose, which is a hybrid tea(I usually don’t care for hybrid teas, I prefer English or heritage roses). My former mother-in-law grew one in a bed in front of her townhouse-the scent carried all the way into the living room! Rugosa roses are just as good, there are hedges of them planted along the beaches of Lake Michigan on the north side of Chicago, and they too scent the air. For color; Ebb Tide, a floribunda rose with an incredible, rich, true purple color-georgeous! And it’s no lightweight when it comes to scent either, it has a spicy, clove or carnation-like fragrance that matches its rich color. For sentimental reasons; Mary Rose, an English rose(My favorite kinds) that I bought and planted for my mother(her name is Maryanne) on Mothers Day. It blooms in flushes all summer far into fall with full blooms of pink. The fragrance is light and sweet. Sadly the only person besides myself that I know that loves the smell of roses is her, so If I win the drawing, the scent is going to her!
I didn’t know that there was such a huge rose growing in Tombstone, of all places. I’m trying to imagine how large that actually is.
I was inerested to learn that the musk rose may be a forebearer to our modern roses, I have been wanting to try this absolute or eo! I love the yellow roses that grew in my backyard as a child, they bloomed so generously in size, petals curling back, with an almost fruity rose aroma. I’m not sure what variety they were, but I loved them.
Is that Eleanor Roosevelt quote for real?! That is too funny.
There are many rose scents that I love. Of the ones here, Attar de Roses, Mohur and Goddess sound especially compelling.
I also enjoyed Eleanor Rosevelts comment like so many others, it was a true sign of how an inteligent woman can turn any bad comment into a compliment by the use of humor. Trully inspiring. Roses are one of my most beloved perfumes, we have a couple of rose trees in our vacation home garden that make every spring the most amazing deep red roses with velvety petals that smell heavenly. I have used these petals in many ways and last year I made a drink out of them using Vodka and sugar and it was magnificent! Will surely repeat that again.
Lavender roses are my favorite! I did not know that the Dog Rose was the oldest rose.
I love turkish rose. And this article has me on the hunt for musk rose. Why is it musky? Is it animalic? OH… I love roses and would love to try all of the perfumes mentioned but my choice would be any of the naturals.
I was happy to learn that the world’s oldest rose (alive today) is a dog rose in Hanover, Germany growing up the side of a cathedral, dating from the 9th century. And Wow! The largest rose is a Lady Banksia in Arizona covering 8,000 square feet, originating from Scotland in 1885. I personally would love to experience Ambroia’s Goddess…
I have no funny quips to share
nor clever stories to tell
I just give thanks to the Universe
that we have Roses to smell…….
My wife loves roses! She says her favorites are yellow roses with red stripes or marks. Lots of her perfumes are rose-based, from Tommy Girl to Paris.
I am a guy and I love rose based fragrances I have and love Amouage Lyric Men, C&S Dark Rose, Lutens Su Majeste la Rose and Le Labo Rose 31 in my wardrobe oh and I have a decant of Creed Rose du the Fleur Bulgare whic I ole too. The most interesting fact that I learned is that 4000 kg is required to make just 1kg of oil, wow!! we are talking about a lot of roses there!!!
Thanks for another informative and interesting article and the amazing draw.
I never knew there were so many rose varieties going back so many millions of years! One of my favorite rose fragrances is Amouage’s Homage Attar, which is just gorgeous. Although all of the perfumes in the draw sound delightful, I’m most curious to try Mohur. Thanks for the great draw!
Hey, d3m0lici0n, been meaning to email you! (Still loving my Oud Immortel!) I think we talked a bit about rosy scents — I probably mentioned Cabaret by Gres, but my new love is Ta’if by Ormonde Jayne. And I am absolutely floored that the largest rose plant is in TOMBSTONE, of all places! I’m still looking for my own perfect, quintessential rose scent.
P.S. And I would love the Mohur, because I adore Bertrand!
Rosa alba always appeals to me … bringing in the light of the universe.
‘…no good in a bed, but fine up against a wall.’ i had no idea this was the description! HA! perfection.
rose. it’s everything, right?
Roses always remind me of the garden in the home I grew up in. Thanks for the draw! Neela Vermeire would be my choice.
I love all roses they are so fragrant and beautiful to see.It is incredible to think they have been around for 35 million years or more. My favorites are the Bourbon Roses for their heady scent and those lovely petals. I would love to sample Keiko Mercheri’s Attar De Roses. Thanks.
I can’t tell you how many road trips I have taken where we traveled by or through Tombstone. I wish I knew of the rose earlier! The article is fascinating but I have to admit that Ms. Roosevelt’s comment is priceless and what I will remember most.
I would love to sample Mohur for Neela Vermeire. This sounds stunning.
Roses are among my favourite notes in a perfume. Really glad that I had the opportunity to find out so many things about them. I would like to win Attar de Roses. Thanks for the giveaway!
Musk Rose and Taif Rose are both fascinating to me. I have yet to smell them individually. I know Musk Rose in Ambress by Anya McCoy is lovely.
I didn’t realize that the musk rose was a common parent for most of the modern roses we have, that is pretty cool!
All the drawing perfumes sound spesctacular, it would be hard to pick one. I guess that makes it lucky that the drawing is random, what a relief!
Thanks!
Michael
To wake up in the morning, the sun is on the sky, the weather is warm and calm, and you to smell the fantastic perfume of a rose bush. Oh, well, that is something I would love to do. I really envy people that grew up at house having the opportunity to smell rose bushes haha.
They all seem perfect, therefore I would be glad to win any of those listed in the giveaway.
Thanks and goodluck to everyone.
I’ve always had roses in my garden. My favorite was a gift and don’t know the variety. It was Deep red, tinted with black near the edges and the petals felt like velvet. It had a deep rosy smell underlined by the typical scent of water and highlighted with fruity notes. Not very difussive but rewarding type of smell. During a storm a tree fell on the bush and destroyed it and can’t find this rose again. Since then I always have a strange inpression that red velvet must naturally smell like that rose. Every time I smell a cushion in my living room I am reminded it doesn’t…
Anyway, the article is one of the best I have read lately on cafleurebon. Very interested in the Taif rose as of now on. Need to investigate more. Up until now I thought it was a marketing name. I also had no idea that lower concentrations of rose absolute produce better results. Always thought of the contrary…
Thank you for the article and the opportunity to win. Although I am a male I wish I would win the Keiko Mecheri Attar because I know a certain someone who would love to have it. And I would love her to have it also…
What a great article! Really did not know about these rose genus; I have heard about them but I was not aware that they are so different and yet so similar. Thanks for the precious information.
From the perfumes, I suppose that Attar de Roses is the most appealing to me.
This is very timely, as I’ve just become obsessed with finding the perfect sweet, jammy, somewhat powdery rose! I really enjoyed reading about the different rose scents. I would be happy to sniff any of these, but the one that sounds most like the rose I am searching for is Goddess by Ambrosia Jones Perfume by Nature.
What a great posting! The quotes, the pictures! A wonderful read with coffee on valentines day! I especially love the picture of the lady in the rose hoopskirt!!! That got saved to my personal eye candy collection.
The rose has such a long and fascinating history!
Was also grateful to know more about the difference between rose and rose absolute. I never knew it was 10 times as effective at getting out oil, thats crazy! But I guess is part of what we have to thank for rose otto making such lovely leftovers (hydrosols).
I have never tried any of the fragrances you mentioned, as am just delving into the world of natural perfumery, but am so in love with rose any of them sound great.
Ambress, Freedom and Lucious Roses are all ones I have lusted over the descriptions before this post though
Goddess, Attar de Roses and Mohur sound amazing as well (and might have inspired new shops to have weekly lusting over- rose are great at inspiring lust
more proof)
Thank you so much for offering us all a chance to try out these delicious sounding roses!
I adore roses and rose fragrances and would love to win any of the perfumes in the draw.
Here in the UK there is a wonderful garden in the Cotswolds called Kiftsgate, which is home to the Kiftsgate rose (Rosa filipes ‘Kiftsgate’). This is an extremely vigorous rambler which climbs through a huge beech tree in the garden and is spectacualr when in flower in the summer. In my own garden my favourite rose is Rosa ‘Gertrude Jekyll’, which is a pink rose with the most glorious fragrance.
What did i learn about roses? Could a dog rose in Hanover truly be the world’s oldest rose? I should like to see that.
A rose draw? Thank you, and thanks especially for not obliging the entrant to specify which rose perfume they’d want:-)
I learned, again, how much I miss having a garden and growing my own roses, and how much I wish I had found the name of the perfect mauve-coloured lemon-scented rose when I saw it and held it and breathed in that heavenly fragrance ….
I love roses. I seek them out in a Botanical Garden. I have one rose perfume, but please enter me into the draw.
rose is my favorite floral note in perfumes.
i have many.
but strangely, not a one of the ones mentioned –
and i would be happy to try any of them
I had no idea that most modern roses descended from Chinese roses. Thanks for the draw!
Awesome article on the history of roses. I enjoyed reading this article very much. However, I was surprised that not more was mentioned about the Bulgarian rose otto which is so beautiful. This information will be wonderful to use in a perfumery class someday.
Wow! Learning about the history of roses in perfumery here has satisfied the history geek in me! I didn’t realize the oldest known, still growing roses are found on a cathedral in Germany. I will have to look this up and read more about this
I have to say, the amazing and lovely art and photos selected for this post are breathtaking. One of my favorite roses isn’t known for its lusty scent, which is slightly muted: the lavender tea rose. I had them in my wedding bouquet. They are so sweet looking, lightly scented, and I have a special place in my heart for them.
I really like the damask rose & I learned roses have up to 150 species.
Three Cheers for Eleanor Roosevelt!!!
I knew roses were ancient, but not just HOW much so!! Never met a rose I don`t LOVE!
Keiko`s Attar and Jane Cate`s sound like the first scents here that I need to try, but all sound swoon-able! Goutal`s Rose Absolue is my `quality`fave rose scent, but I STILL love Perfumer`s Workshop Tea Rose after all these decades!
Who knew Eleanor Roosevelt was so witty? I have to wonder if she even wore fragrance? What would it be? I can’t imagine she’d wear anything too sexy, but , hey, ya nevah know. I’d love any of these fragrances. Great article and thanks for the draw.
I think Taif roses are the best of all – rare and smell like heaven. I would like to win Attar de Roses, thank you for this draw!
What a beautiful and informative article. I love roses and love learning about the many varieties. The worlds largest rose and oldest rose are fun facts.
All of these perfumes sound amazing…how to chose??
I think I’d like to try Ambrosias blend…I have a notion she can do wonders with rose and I am leaning towards a natural.
Many thanks Elise and Michelyn!!
Impressive images along with impressive information on roses. I love the second image, the painting. I would like to win that Attar. Thanks.
I’m obsessed with rose extractions and LOVE, LOVE, LOVE all of them. It’s amazing to learn that the oldest known rose plant dates back to the 9th century! I may have to plan a trip to see it. I’d also love to see the largest rose. I have several varieties in my garden, but don’t have my favorite, Rosa damascena yet. Hopefully someday. I’m drawn to Joann Bassett’s Luscious Roses Parfum. A 36% concentration of so many roses sounds heavenly!
Thanks for offering.
Maggie
Thank you som much for including my perfume, Filoli Rose. The perfume is almost as lovely as the gardens it was named for, but who can beat mother nature for beauty!!!!
Thanks again.
Oh wow, the Attar de Roses looks gorgeous, I’d love to win that. Thanks again for a great draw!
i’m very impressed with the oldest rose story. had no idea they can live that long! amazing.
Attar de Roses captured my heart, both description and the bottle.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Cafleurbon is amazing
And you know that too.
Thanks for the great article. Very informative. Many thanks for the giveaway too. I would be glad winning Attar de Roses.